Creation and the Society Before it
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2012-02-212021-07-21

The biblical evidence is strongly in favour of a society existing in this realm long before 'creation'. You can also go from here to examine much more to be said on the subject of creation as well as more on the subject of angels.

The Big Bash

God made it clear that there was a time when the Earth was deliberately created. It did not happen by accident in the sense that God just looked around one day and noticed 'What have we here? This was not here before'!

Job 38:4-9 (KJV)4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? 9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

There seems to have been a whole celebration planned with music when the earth came into being. This scripture is talking about an infant Earth which had to be protected until it fully developed. Swaddling is only done with babies that are up to about a month. It keeps them warm until their internal systems can manage on their own. It provides a sense of security by reminding them of the womb. Swaddling is temporary as would have been the thick darkness around the planet. The creation process was closely watched and cared for until it stabalised. All this indicates a well organised society before creation. It was apparently planned and anticipated to the degree that a whole celebration was organised for the initiation.

Psalm 148:2-6 (KJV)Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. 3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created. 6 He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.

When the planets were originally formed there seems to have been a lot more water. When the earth was renewed many years later, some of the water was removed to heaven. We have to be careful with this assumption because heaven (or the firmament when it is used) can mean anything from where the birds fly to where God resides.

Their First Estate

There is no question that God created Satan and everything else but when He did it it was for Him, to server Him not to be a rebel.

Colossians 1:16 [KJV] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The clearest indication that something went wrong in the original universe is stated by Jude.

Jude 1:5-6 (KJV)I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jude tells us that the angels left their first estate. For angels to leave somewhere to go somewhere then a here and a there must exist. For here and there to exist there must be space to separate the here from the there so space existed at this time. It also indicates that there was somewhere for them to call their estate. This strongly indicates that there was matter in the space to mark territories. There was some set of territory that belonged to Satan's angels.

Genesis 1:7-9 (KJV) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

This also indicates that originally there was not a separate heaven. Originally there might have been one continuous area. The area that is now called heaven might have been well maintained continuously but this area which we call the universe might well have fallen into neglect, producing the unnecessary water and other problems including severe darkness. The problem with that line of thinking is that we have to redefine earth to be universe. The Bible says that the waters of the firmament came from earth not from the universe, and it goes on to talk about earth not the universe, This idea can be expanded on when we consider space. The universe fits into space and has been expanding at an enormous rate for years without coming anywhere near to filling it up. We have no idea how massive God's entire creation really is. Anyway there seems to have been one unified society where everybody got together in celebration. That joy and unity was to be violently disrupted by a rebellion.

Luke 10:17-20And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. [KJV]

My translation of this is. Are you surprised that demons submit to my instructions. The blow that  their boss Satan got when he rebelled was so hard that I felt sorry for him after. The poor thing came crashing down to Earth like lightning. Anyhow that is not important. What is important is that your names are written in the book of life.

Who Brought Sin into the World ?

Satan was a deceiver. He tricked Adam and Eve and brought them hardship and death. That is what he had done to the universe before. Under God's society there was no hardship or sorrow. It came about naturally under Satan.

Genesis 3:17 (KJV)17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

He had brough one third of the angels into ruin. They left where they lived to attack God and try to take over the whole society. they failed and a judgement remains for that. God gave them enough time to prove beyond any doubt that they are incapable of doing good with their approach. They have caused ruin to come upon the universe that we know. Satan is still in charge down here as we see from the temptations, God just left them in charge to prove to one and all that they were wrong. They had eons to make their first domain superior to God's but they let it decay and become without form and void. God has not judged them yet because the case was not closed until the proof was determined. God loves truth so he gave them a chance to prove that they were right but they could not, and if He let them they would destroy it again so that 'no flesh should be saved alive' not just men.

From Revelation we gather that it was a third of the angels that followed Satan. This suggests that the other two thirds would be governed by angels of similar rank and that is supported by Luke and Daniel in their writing, which is covered lated in this article.

Revelation 12:3-4 (KJV)3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Satan was an angel or morning star, a light bringer. Instead of bringing light he turned to bringing darkness and that was the state of things when God renewed the earth: darkness. God does not create darkness. There is none in Him. Satan weakened the nations that existed at the time of Isaiah through deception and because he was a liar and the father of it. He had done it before and brought a third of the angels into ruin. In his mind he only wanted to be over the angels (stars of God), I mean he was obviously the best so what could be wrong with that? God was unfair, He was holding him back. That is what Satan thought so he had to show God that He was too old for the job. It needed a fresh outlook with alternative lifestyles. God would not permit it willingly, he would not listen, so He had to be removed for His own good. Yeah, right.

Isaiah 14:12-15How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. [KJV]

Satan was a special cherub. He was an archangel but he was a cherub nevertheless. The archangels were a special class angel like Gabriel and Michael. Cherubs had the responsibility of protecting the dominion as we see from them guarding the Garden of Eden. What they were protecting was the ark of the covenant long before there was any human or tabernacle in the wilderness. I hope to cover that in more detail later. The covereth here means cover like a hen would protect and defend with her wings. If you ever see doves tussle you would notice that they protect themselves with their wings. That was the role of the three special cherubs called archangels. There are only two that hold that position now and they are the same two that protected the tree of life in the Garden of Eden. They are the guardians of the dominion. God was wise enough to divide that role into three but Satan wanted supremacy. God uses fire to prove things. It refines things and by nature is able to extract and improve the good and enduring. This was Satan's role but he abandoned it.

Ezekiel 28:13-16Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. [KJV]

It seems that Satan Lived in Eden or at least spent time there before the advent of man. It is also possible that the Eden spoken of here is another one that God has in the third heaven. Instead of improving others he wanted dominance. Instead of serving he wanted to be served so he started a war. He attacked the third heaven, perhaps Michael, with the intention of eventually overthrowing God but God hit him so hard that his efforts came to a sudden, shocking end. We see that Michael and Gabriel remain in their positions as leaders, and by extension servants of God and the angels.

Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Christ did not say that He hit him. He never said that He did not either but the thing happened quickly, like lightning. If you blinked you would have missed it. Christ saw. Who would have been in a better position to see than the one who dealt with Satan. Do not mistake humility for weakness. You might also get a shock. Daniel shows us that Gabriel is one of the remaining archangels and cherubs. That he is a cherub is indicated by his defense of the realm in Revelation 12. That he is an archangel is indicated by his ability to stand against Satan who withstood him from reaching Daniel for weeks.

Daniel 8:16 (KJV)16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
Daniel 9:21 (KJV)21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
Daniel 10:12-14 (KJV)12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Daniel also reveals the other archangel. Michael is a prince, not a normal angel.

Daniel 10:21 (KJV)21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Daniel 12:1 (KJV)1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The name of ome of the archangels is also revealed by Luke. This is the same name that was presented in Daniel.

Luke 1:19 (KJV)19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
Luke 1:26 (KJV)26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

As far as I can see these scriptures indicate that God's society existed for eons. These (Michael and Gabriel) are the two that remain to guard society and God's way of life in it. It is these that Satan intended to attack but he got stopped at the first. So from what I can see there was a society before 'creation' and that society had decayed in this realm to the point where everything had come to a standstill and all mortal life had died. I support the interpretation of tohu and bohu as this subject is familiarly called, although the actual word that is ridiculed is eithe orhaya depending on who translates it, interpreted as became. The Earth had become without form (lying in waste and ecay) and void (empty and bare) and that is why it was like that at the renewal; but that is just how I perceive it, I was not there.

Since I am talking of How I perceive it this would be a good place to add that I do not believe that Satan has now or then had the poser to shatter the Earth as it was. This was done by God when He repelled Satan. In the Book of Luke Christ says that He saw Him fall: Luke 10:18 [KJV], And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Christ did not apparently get the chance to deal with Him then. Remember that John says that Christ is the one who primarily created the whole universe out of nothing: John 1:1-2 [KJV],  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  [2] The same was in the beginning with God. It is not that Christ could not or would not have done the same thing, it is just that the Father got to Him first. This was an act of controlled anger. He was knocked from the Third Heaven through light years of space down to Earth like lightning and it probably smashed the earth with the impact. You cannot imagine the force to create that type of velocity and the force to bring it to an abrupt halt exactly at the Earth. This was done in an instant with pinpoint accuracy and He did not destroy the whole universe as some propose. From then on it was just a matter of neglect. The fact that the Earth was 'the deep' and not a white dwarf suggests that it's fate was not natural. Some extraordinary power converted the mass to water.

Before this we would have had the situation in Ezekiel 28. Earth was Satan's domain (they left their domain to attack the Heaven of Heavens) and so it must have had great splendour. Ezekiel talks of the multitude of thy merchandise but it was all vapourised.